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	<title>Comments on: What the Liberals Have Wrong</title>
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		<title>By: nina davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>nina davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to have this explained,Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to have this explained,Please.</p>
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		<title>By: nina davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>nina davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 23:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I visited three times at this congregation. The Lords Supper is vey inportant to me and has been for 75 years. I was added to the church at age 14. For the bread offered in communion was something never seen in all those 75 years. It was a substance sorta soft and spungy, had to be pinched off with fingernails. I tried, but I did not have the stomach for this substance. What can be the reason for changing something that has worked for so long.? I gagged  the first time , the second  and third time. This is so sad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I visited three times at this congregation. The Lords Supper is vey inportant to me and has been for 75 years. I was added to the church at age 14. For the bread offered in communion was something never seen in all those 75 years. It was a substance sorta soft and spungy, had to be pinched off with fingernails. I tried, but I did not have the stomach for this substance. What can be the reason for changing something that has worked for so long.? I gagged  the first time , the second  and third time. This is so sad!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the comments everyone.  I am really shocked at the amount of comments and good discussion from this post.  Also, on Facebook, people have commented a lot.  One thing for sure, we are struggling with identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the comments everyone.  I am really shocked at the amount of comments and good discussion from this post.  Also, on Facebook, people have commented a lot.  One thing for sure, we are struggling with identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Brenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respectfully and fondly, Matthew, I disagree. I&#039;ve expressed my reasons in a blog post last October called &lt;a href=&quot;http://keithbrenton.blogspot.com/2009/10/distinctiveness.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Distinctiveness&lt;/a&gt;.

Our identity, as we all know and understand, must be defined by our relationship with Jesus Christ. Not a denomination, sect, fellowship, individual church, gathering of believers, set of convictions, or fill-in-the-blank.

I attend and work at a congregation of the churches of Christ. I disagree with my minister that the story of Nadab and Abihu has anything whatsoever to do with instrumental music in worship. I disagree with my elders, individually and as a group, on a number of items. I&#039;m a member and staffer there - and have been a member there for a total of twenty years, staffer for almost five - because I love and respect them, and the entire body of the saints there, and the folks who drop by to visit and see Whom we&#039;re all about. It is my church home.

But it&#039;s not my identity. My identity is disciple; follower of Christ. My allegiance is to Him. My home is His kingdom, and it is far larger than one gathering, fellowship, alliance, denomination or set of convictions. Trying to live the life of Christ - among those whom I love and sometimes disagree and among others who have never really known Him - is my identity.

Nothing less is acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully and fondly, Matthew, I disagree. I&#8217;ve expressed my reasons in a blog post last October called <a href="http://keithbrenton.blogspot.com/2009/10/distinctiveness.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/keithbrenton.blogspot.com');">Distinctiveness</a>.</p>
<p>Our identity, as we all know and understand, must be defined by our relationship with Jesus Christ. Not a denomination, sect, fellowship, individual church, gathering of believers, set of convictions, or fill-in-the-blank.</p>
<p>I attend and work at a congregation of the churches of Christ. I disagree with my minister that the story of Nadab and Abihu has anything whatsoever to do with instrumental music in worship. I disagree with my elders, individually and as a group, on a number of items. I&#8217;m a member and staffer there &#8211; and have been a member there for a total of twenty years, staffer for almost five &#8211; because I love and respect them, and the entire body of the saints there, and the folks who drop by to visit and see Whom we&#8217;re all about. It is my church home.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not my identity. My identity is disciple; follower of Christ. My allegiance is to Him. My home is His kingdom, and it is far larger than one gathering, fellowship, alliance, denomination or set of convictions. Trying to live the life of Christ &#8211; among those whom I love and sometimes disagree and among others who have never really known Him &#8211; is my identity.</p>
<p>Nothing less is acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex,

i&#039;m not sure identity is so centralized.   i&#039;m thinking of an ethnic identity and what it consists of.  There may be a plethora of customs, cuisines, clothing, daily rituals etc. all of which constitute an ethnic identity.  i suppose that person can say their ethnic identity consists mainly in having been born in their particular country of origin.  But really i think their identity is constituted more or less by all the parts, perhaps some more than others, but all nonetheless.  If you start removing the little customs or peculiar clothing or whatever, you&#039;re still wearing away at an identity.

Matt,
i was also thinking that there&#039;s an important distinction between being embarassed of the markers themselves, and being embarassed over how people have treated each other on account of those markers.  i think there are &quot;liberals&quot; who are not at all embarassed to sing a capella or have male elderships etc.  i think there are plenty who are ashamed of how brethren have treated each other over those issues though.  And there are even some i think that confuse feeling embarassed over the latter with feeling embarassed over the former (throw the baby out with the bath water).

--Guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex,</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not sure identity is so centralized.   i&#8217;m thinking of an ethnic identity and what it consists of.  There may be a plethora of customs, cuisines, clothing, daily rituals etc. all of which constitute an ethnic identity.  i suppose that person can say their ethnic identity consists mainly in having been born in their particular country of origin.  But really i think their identity is constituted more or less by all the parts, perhaps some more than others, but all nonetheless.  If you start removing the little customs or peculiar clothing or whatever, you&#8217;re still wearing away at an identity.</p>
<p>Matt,<br />
i was also thinking that there&#8217;s an important distinction between being embarassed of the markers themselves, and being embarassed over how people have treated each other on account of those markers.  i think there are &#8220;liberals&#8221; who are not at all embarassed to sing a capella or have male elderships etc.  i think there are plenty who are ashamed of how brethren have treated each other over those issues though.  And there are even some i think that confuse feeling embarassed over the latter with feeling embarassed over the former (throw the baby out with the bath water).</p>
<p>&#8211;Guy</p>
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		<title>By: K. Rex Butts</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Rex Butts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not opposed to churches saying we practice believer&#039;s baptism because we believe that such practice is biblical, or we have an established eldership to shepherd this church because we believe that this is part of the leadership form instructed in the New Testament, or...

What I don&#039;t want to do is say that we are Christians because we hold to such practices.  Instead, we are Christians because of what God has done for us in Christ -grace- through faith (cf. Eph 2.8).  The former roots our identity in our practice while the later roots our identity in God&#039;s gift of grace to us in Christ.  

I hope that explains the difference I am trying to point out.  I am certainly for churches upholding practices that our biblical but I don&#039;t want to root my identity in such practices because that, it seems, would be unbiblical.

Grace and peace,

Rex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not opposed to churches saying we practice believer&#8217;s baptism because we believe that such practice is biblical, or we have an established eldership to shepherd this church because we believe that this is part of the leadership form instructed in the New Testament, or&#8230;</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t want to do is say that we are Christians because we hold to such practices.  Instead, we are Christians because of what God has done for us in Christ -grace- through faith (cf. Eph 2.8).  The former roots our identity in our practice while the later roots our identity in God&#8217;s gift of grace to us in Christ.  </p>
<p>I hope that explains the difference I am trying to point out.  I am certainly for churches upholding practices that our biblical but I don&#8217;t want to root my identity in such practices because that, it seems, would be unbiblical.</p>
<p>Grace and peace,</p>
<p>Rex</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

Hey--hope you&#039;re doing well.  i&#039;m mostly with you i think.  i do get annoyed when people start sounding embarassed of their own church for the various &quot;markers.&quot;  

But i do think we should probably focus more of our time and energy on distinguishing ourselves from the world rather than from other denominations.

Best,

Guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Hey&#8211;hope you&#8217;re doing well.  i&#8217;m mostly with you i think.  i do get annoyed when people start sounding embarassed of their own church for the various &#8220;markers.&#8221;  </p>
<p>But i do think we should probably focus more of our time and energy on distinguishing ourselves from the world rather than from other denominations.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Guy</p>
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		<title>By: K. Rex Butts</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Rex Butts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,

Just so you know that even though I occasionally disagree, I appreciate your blog and ministry.  Further, I know there are many people who are being blessed by God because of your willingness to be God&#039;s servant.

Grace and peace,

Rex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>Just so you know that even though I occasionally disagree, I appreciate your blog and ministry.  Further, I know there are many people who are being blessed by God because of your willingness to be God&#8217;s servant.</p>
<p>Grace and peace,</p>
<p>Rex</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you everyone for the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you everyone for the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure just what the terms liberal and conservative mean any more.  I just know we have God&#039;s word on what to do to be saved and when we do that we are added to the church.  I don&#039;t have to have man&#039;s approval or vote to be in it and it will have the identifying marks of God&#039;s people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure just what the terms liberal and conservative mean any more.  I just know we have God&#8217;s word on what to do to be saved and when we do that we are added to the church.  I don&#8217;t have to have man&#8217;s approval or vote to be in it and it will have the identifying marks of God&#8217;s people.</p>
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